"But lots of Jews are anti-Israel and even anti-Jew, and they're pretty smart people generally. How can a Jew be a Liberal? "
Quite true it seems. If you read that UN and other links, many in Western Europe were dead against separation from Western society and the creation of Israel. Others, especially from Eastern Europe, had a different view and it was the probably mainly the influx of so many of those who annoyed people like Chesterton and caused all the conflicts involving the black shirts in the 1930s.
Very few groups have a totally unified view. Some Muslims ain't a problem either, trouble is it's the other sort who are making all the running at the moment,
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-20 18:08:23
Actually no, I hadn't noticed the xogl--k thing. I'll try to keep that in mind with my ever-disintegrating short term memory.
Over here it's mostly the white Left that promotes anti-semitism, following the lead of our Glorious Leader. It used to be mostly blacks, then the skinheads, and now the Hispanics, but the ringleaders are the Leftists. No doubt Jew hating is on the rise again with blacks, thanks to Obama, I haven't kept track on that one, and of course the Muzzies are always happy to spread their own propaganda.
Jews are strange people, or so I've always thought. I have a low opinion of black intelligence but at least they do pretty much stick together, and the 95% black vote for Obama proves that. But lots of Jews are anti-Israel and even anti-Jew, and they're pretty smart people generally. How can a Jew be a Liberal? I just don't get it.
In any case, yes, the campaign is clearly on again with the Right cheering the Israelis and the Left denigrating them.
Well, I'm glad you've come around to my point of view and agree wholeheartedly with me about everything I say. It's about time. Except the Flaming Fairies, of course, but we can work on that. :-)
Flat Sheet ON About effort Dated:2013-09-19 15:38:32
No problem with a good argument. (Although obviously it must be you who is wrong here)
Seems to be a similar picture of rising anti-Semitism in both the UK and US. However, it does not appear to be the mainly the British and Americans behind it but the "British" and "Americans". In our case, Muslims from Pakistan, Bangladesh etc, in your case Hispanics.
Plus anti-Zionist lefties, probably, whose objection to Israel spills over. Mind you, there seem to be some Israelis who label any objection to absolutely anything Israel does as anti-Semitism so it works both ways. That's people for you.
Anyway, as I hope you have noticed, mention of xoglink in a comment allows full posting of links. Don't tell the spammers.
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-19 08:22:58
LOL, well, so happy that you see my point and agree with me so wholeheartedly. Ho ho.
Okay, you stick with your story. I'm sticking with mine. I really don't care how you feel about Jews.
It is easy to find things wrong with Jews. Of course, it's easy to do that with any ethnic group. I can think of lots of reasons to dislike the Irish, Italians, the Polish, and certainly the British, who went and did horrible things to people in India, Africa, China....
Then there's those stinking Americans who committed genocide on all those native peoples.....
It's not really a pile of crap, all that stuff. It's just history. It's humans acting like humans. I'm sorry, but British anti-semitism is a fact, a famous fact, a well-known, recognized fact. If you don't see yourself as having any of it, great. But it's not a pile of crap although you certainly can say so, it is your blog after all.
I've notice that you look somewhat askance at my dislike of homosexuals. That's okay, I freely admit that I hate queers. I've seen the stuff they do, the disgusting way they act, the rampant pedophilia, the "gay" parades that I guess you've never seen, the way queers have damaged hell out of our society about as badly in their way as the illegal aliens have in theirs.
And, I don't appear to suggest anything. I say it right out, every time. I never appeared to suggest that anything was the fault of one side, whatever the hell side it is you're referring to. I assume that you mean I said that the Jews are blameless and the Muslims are 100% guilty or some such. No I didn't. Never did. Come on. I never said that and you know it.
Sorry but I do see you as being prejudiced against Jews and nothing you've said so far has changed my mind any. I'm sorry you take that as some sort of insult, which you apparently do or you wouldn't be responding with insults. I really don't give a shit if you love them or hate them, I'm merely stating my observations. No value judgement here.
You, in your turn, can think badly of me for my view of homosexuals all you like, we're not related to each other or even neighbors, so who cares? But since you take personal observations as an intrusion of some sort, or so it seems to me, I'll leave off henceforth since that's not what I'm about. I don't mind at all talking about my attitudes, likes, dislikes, phobias or whatever, but that's me. If you don't, that's alright, we don't have to. But let's not start throwing rocks at each other, hey?
Black Sheep ON About effort Dated:2013-09-19 06:40:11
Here's a link from the situation in Chesterton's time when there was large scale Jewish integration from eastern Europe. They created ghettos in places like East London and made little or no effort to integrate.
xoglink:
http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/histories/jewish/settling/settling.htm
While Jews in Western Europe had integrated well before this influx, it was not true of those from Eastern Europe. They clung to their own language and culture and even regarded themselves as a separate nation.
www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/The_History_of_the_Jews_in_Europe.pdf
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-18 22:37:37
What a pile of crap Mr Sheep. This "latest example" (got any other recent ones by the way?) is just part of the British soccer mentality where opposing teams chant whatever they think is offensive to the other. Recently, a team was chanting "xx 2, Brighton 1, Brighton take it up the bum". Brighton being the UK's "gay" city. Surveys show most Brits don't care about homosexuality, we are a lot more tolerant on the issue than the US.
I am not suggesting (nor have I) that it was anything like the same problem but there are some parallels between Islam now and Judaism in the past in the way that it remained separated from society as a whole. You appear to suggest that everything is totally the fault of one side but human society just does not work in that simplistic manner. Hate to say it, but you are reminding me of the twits who shout "Islamophobia" when someone even questions, no matter how limited the criticism, the activities of Muslims.
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-18 19:29:45
Okay, here's the latest example of the ingrained anti-Semitic British mindset. It's just part of being British:
.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/11/fa-issues-warning-over-yid-chants/?intcmp=obnetwork
You'll have to add the w's to see the link since the comment box doesn't allow links.
This shows how common and accepted the negative view of Jews is there.
ON About effort Dated:2013-09-18 16:13:11
Jews have been hated since very ancient times because they put themselves above everyone else. They controlled the area where a major trade route passed through and charged a tax for passage. At first it wasn't much but they got greedy and kept upping it until the Babylonians had enough and swarmed in, conquered them and carried many off as slaves.
Babylon was modern for those times and allowed slaves to work off their servitude and buy their freedom, so many of the Jews did. The Babylonians had another thing, they worshiped One god only. The Jews took that back with them and decided that they were god's chosen people. Priests just never know when to shut up. Anyway, that's when Judaism was really born.
This snotty attitude really pissed off the neighboring Arab tribes, who then wanted an even better god than the Jews. So when Islam finally came along, they jumped all over it.
Jews have always been pretty exclusionary, and they have some unfortunate racial tendencies regarding money that have never endeared them with anyone. It's no wonder that so many stories have come out of Islamic priests about supposedly horrendous and evil things that Jews do or have done, because they hate them, but the stories are apocryphal and proven so.
I did read. Your comment "Are those very similar stories from history about Jews really all racist inventions?" was really below the belt, sorry but it was. Saying that you don't think Jews are any problem today is nice but then, why take that sideswipe at them? That's what I'm talking about, that and saying that Judaism invented all the nasty crap in Islam when they didn't. Why say that?
We can't agree on everything all the time and on this one we obviously disagree. I don't think you see yourself as having any prejudice against Jews, whereas I see you as having a very typical British prejudice against them. But then, I have a strong prejudice against homosexuals and you don't mind them at all.
I'm not on a soap box here. I'm just one of those boring people who insist on honesty in all things. It doesn't make me many friends, I admit.
Boring Sheep ON About effort Dated:2013-09-16 21:57:19
Its a simplistic view IMO that one side or another is responsible for all hatred while the other is innocent in most conflicts. We are all the same humans, we think the same, we react the same. Realities are much more complex, we react against each other and hatred builds.
You really need to read before kicking off. "You can't compare the ancient behaviour of any people to that of people now, anyway". I think that's the point I made when I said it's hard to see why Jews are any problem at all today.
I really don't recall stating that Jews have wacked off limbs in recent history either, just that they remained separate from broader society and put their own people first, which is hardly the same thing. In part because they were rejected, but not entirely, it isn't that simple. Look at the Muslim enclaves in the west today, is that really entirely due to our rejection of them?
True enough, they have been persecuted far more than any other group but isn't that largely about numbers? Until the creation of modern Israel they have always been the minorities in every nation of those other faiths.
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-16 11:26:58
"...that Judaism did not invent."
I can think of more than a few. How about those tents with the eye-slits? How about women being punished, maybe killed, for having "illicit sex" because they were raped? The death sentence for apostasy. How about wanting world domination? The annihilation of all Jews? The second-class citizenship and the special taxation of Jews, the inability of Jews to own property, and on, and on, and on...
There's PLENTY of things in Islam that Jews did not invent.
"Are those very similar stories from history about Jews really all racist inventions?"
Is that really a serious question? Yes. The answer to your question is clearly yes, those stories come from the same source as the Protocols of Zion, "Jews are descended from apes and pigs", and the rest of that genre and I'm amazed and appalled that you would offer that tripe up without the slightest corroboration. But then, maybe not, since you are British and there is none anyway.
There's far more similarities between Christians and Muslims right now today than there ever was between Jews and Muslims going on 1700 years ago. Or ever. Back then, by the way, the Muslims were whacking off limbs and torturing the Jews wherever they found them. Tell me one time that the Jews EVER did anything like that to the Muslims or anyone else.
You can't compare the ancient behavior of any people to that of people now, anyway. You know, you sound exactly like my British grandfather did. He was taught to dislike Jews from birth too. I understand prejudice, we all have some no matter how much we claim otherwise, it's just part of being people. I'm not Jewish but there are Jews on my mother's side, which is also where the native American comes from. So I tend to not look down on other people. Except American blacks and Somalian blacks, who are mostly the scum of the earth. See? We are a lot alike.
If a female of excess age with a bellicose husband made obvious advances toward me, I would just ask her to go back and get her husbands written permission to have sex with me before I could consider it.
Complaining about not receiving Special Dispensation, are we? Starting to question our atheism, are we? Wishing there really were an afterlife so we could live forever instead of having to croak, are we?
Yeah, it is a bitch, I know. Having to cease to exist. I've really come to count on re-emerging from non-existence each morning with memories of the day before to assure me that I have continuity. But I know that come one day, I will not be there to greet it. When that day comes, I won't have the slightest qualm or care, because I won't be there. So since it won't matter to me then, why should I give a shit now?
Do Jewish Sheep Say Baa or Oy Vey? ON About effort Dated:2013-09-16 04:07:13
My point on that bit is that we should not view history in terms of today's realities. There isn't a nasty or irrational thing in Islam, from stoning and beheading to circumcision and not eating pork that Judaism did not invent.
There are too many simplistic views on the right and liberal left. While some may deliberately create scapegoats by playing up and exaggerating problems, "prejudices" are very rarely without any foundation. Tensions are also very rarely the fault of one side only. Jews may have been disliked or hated but then they also deliberately chose to remain outside society, as some Muslims in the West do today, and that was a factor.
Look at some of the things happening today, like grooming of white girls by Pakistanis where even the liberal left admit there may be a racial factor. Are those very similar stories from history about Jews really all racist inventions, given the similar religious taboos on sex within their own communities that left men frustrated?
I daresay in 100 years, when/if Islam moderates, people will wonder why anyone in this century had a problem with it.
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-14 09:15:37
Re: Reality is not...
I've never understood the British obsession with Jews and Judaism. They died by the thousands trying to wrest the Holy Lands back from the Muslims, when it was entirely the Jews who made the Holy Lands holy in the first place, so you'd think that they must have held the Jews in high regard.
Oh but no. The Jews are reviled wherever they go, and then complained about when they don't love the nation that reviles them. Why does that make no sense to me? I went to Puerto Rico once, as a white American sailor in uniform, and was pretty much shunned because of that, and to this day I figure that Puerto Ricans can go fuck themselves. Why should Jews feel differently?
Bleating Sheeply ON About effort Dated:2013-09-14 02:40:10
OMIGOD! You too?
Hung Sheep ON About effort Dated:2013-09-10 14:43:19
Were Lamarck right I would have an eye-wateringly enormous donger and a brain the size of a small but potentially humanity-destroying asteroid.
That I have both is thanks to Mr Darwin (BUHT, Blessings Unto His Theory).
Nobody's Friend ON About effort Dated:2013-09-09 05:04:07
Eating the ashes is what caused flesh eating zombies to come into existence in the first place and of course, once they bite someone, that person is infected and zombs out. Zombluenza is the new HIV of our day.
Zombie Sheep ON About effort Dated:2013-09-07 23:38:14
Had considered an ashes/plastic composite as in
“I sometimes think that I should like/ To be the saddle of her bike."
but could get a little hit an miss.
Bovine ON About effort Dated:2013-09-06 22:02:55
Apparently some sprinkle the ashes on their food over several years too. I kid you not.
x ON About effort Dated:2013-09-06 08:55:20
Survival of the fartest, that is, survival of the most flatulent, is my personal theory of evolution. That which can eat the widest variety of plants and animals survives best. The more variety in the diet, the greater the flatulence. So when I jet-propel myself about, I take pride in knowing that however great the disgust may be of others, I am the most fit to survive. BrrrrrriiiiippPPP!
As to ashes, I have a very nice, very fancy box provided by the Neptune Society, which charged me an arm and a leg to guarantee that my inert corpus will be immolated and the ashes placed therein. My thought on this is to encourage whoever might be the recipient of my final remains to use them for garden fertilizer and the box for cheap costume jewelry or whatever suits them.
Effort. Thank you for the kind link. Yeah, that was some amazing feat she performed. As to the fat blob types, I'm all for rendering them into soap and dog food. Soylent Green would be good. Are you aware that a new company has sprung up with the name Soylent? Wikipedia says: "Soylent is a food substitute intended to supply all of a human body's daily nutritional needs, made from powdered starch, rice protein, olive oil, and raw chemical powders"
Okay for now but we know damned well that dead bodies are going to be processed into Soylent eventually, don't we? Yes, we do. If I wait long enough to die I may be able to recoup a good part of what I paid Neptune by selling myself in advance of death to the Soylent Co. Never one to miss an opportunity, am I.
Flatulent Sheep ON About effort Dated:2013-09-06 05:50:39